Fake Biographies on Wikipedia

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10 Responses

  1. Will Baude says:

    I confess that I am confused. What part of the quoted text does Seigenthaler think was false? Is his claim that nobody anywhere anytime ever suspected him of involvement in the Kennedy assassination?

  2. Bruce says:

    Interesting post, Dan. This is another illustration of how the Internet makes the harms of privacy disputes sharply discontinuous. For most people, there is no harm at all, because there is a uniform lack of interest in doing the average individual any harm. So for most people, the Internet is causing them near zero in terms of actual harm. But all it takes is one dedicated person with low scruples, a grudge, and a little extra time on their hands, and the harms skyrocket. You correctly note that Seigenthaler could have corrected his Wikipedia entry; but I suspect his antagonist has far more time to devote to that sort of battle of the edits than Seigenthaler does, so that’s not a viable long-term strategy. Litigation also has serious drawbacks, chief among them the cost of bringing such an action. Seigenthaler will have to accompany his complaint with a motion for expedited discovery, which will probably more than double the cost of preparing the papers, and will likely require an appearance before the judge. All of that entails significant legal fees. Furthermore, there are some who have suggested on this blog on obtaining Doe’s identity, Seigenthaler could not simply drop the suit and resort to extralegal measures, such as public shame. Some have argued that mere identification is an “improper purpose” under Rule 11. If a court accepted that theory, then Seigenthaler would have to press the litigation all the way to its conclusion, or risk sanctions.

    If Seigenthaler did press on, he would next have to re-file the complaint under Doe’s actual name, and most likely have to change venue, unless he got lucky in predicting where the defendant is located (he could try to assert the Calder “effects” test for personal jurisdiction, but courts have been giving that test a narrow application, generally for good reason). And he would then have to finish litigating the suit in what is likely to be a distant location, possibly requiring a change of counsel. Seigenthaler may be able to afford all this, but for most people, this amount of legal wrangling simply to stop a defamer is going to be cost-prohibitive.

  3. pst314 says:

    Let’s suppose that joe the homeless guy who hears voices believes that Will Baude is a serial murderer. Would that justify publishing it in an encyclopedia entry that reads “Will Baude is believed to be…”?

  4. Dave! says:

    Reference.com and Answers.com get their text directly from Wikipedia. Correcting the Wikipedia entry would have corrected both of those other sites as well. (I’m not sure if there is a lag from a cache on those sites or if they use a direct API but the end result is the same.)

  5. Will Baude says:

    PST314, No of course it wouldn’t “justify” publishing that entry, but the entry wouldn’t actually be false, would it?

    I mean, I’m not saying that the entry was any good, clearly it wasn’t, I’m just trying to pin down what the problem with it is. That it said some people believed things which in fact people believed, but were also so obviously silly that they didn’t bear repeating?

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  8. dan says:

    There’s no “t” in Seigenthaler as Daniel Solove seems to think.

  9. Bob says:

    What Seigenthaler and likely many others don’t realize is that the success of wikipedia, and the sites that scrap it, doesn’t mean that these errors should be considered history, rather, it should be considered the death of history.

    Wikipedia contains articles referring to past peoples, events, places, and things. Things that took place in the past, seems like a safe definition for history? Now, we must also agree, that for history to be, it must be recorded in some way, even if that way is only in the memory and handed down word of mouth. Setting aside the argument of what is or is not “historically accurate” for a moment, consider that if this is what history is, then wikipedia contains a type of “history” which is not history at all! In this case, all the facts surrounding what history is and is not are editable in real time- meaning that history is editable in real time- making history something that is happening! History is a real time event taking place on a global scale! The irony here, is that Seigenthaler has no control over how history views him, either way. It is likely that Seigenthaler is compelled, as many are, to preserve some image of themselves throughout time, and good for him if he can die knowing that he is happy with the way a website, or textbook has portrayed him. The sad truth of the matter is, however, that these things are just as subject to change for the “worse” as the are change for the “better.” It has been said that “history will be written by those in power.” It seems amazing and wonderful, that a politician, journalist, and someone with so much influence, should find himself no more powerful than a humble worker. No “expert” has an even more accurate opinion of what happened just because they were or were not involved- no matter what, it is a fluid experience. “What took place.” We will all come to consensus, as we have over time, only we can now do so continuously and rapidly rather than providing text books that hand down the same thing for 30 years, only to have them changed when new text books are ordered. Our only question now is are we infinitely powerful to write our history or infinitely powerless? This is the Democracy of truth.